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Looking for feedback on LFP's extream intercooler. Any of you guys using it and what kind of gains are you seeing in IAT's? Any other options out there that are worth looking at?

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the heat exchanger or intercooler core?

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I have their heat exchanger. Looking to upgrade my intercooler.

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JLP sells the Trick stage 3..., Not sure if it's a stocked item.
trick inter cooler - Johnny Lightning Performance <<click here<<

You can buy it direct from Trick, I suggest you call him to order it. You might get it sooner then the 2-3 weeks.
Ford Lightning single pass intercooler. <<click here<<

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I have the trick core. Unfortunately I can't log iat2 on my truck since I'm running an n/a computer. However driving it in 90* weather with a 3.4 whipple in stop and go jersey traffic and my tank was Luke warm

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I thought the LFP unit was nothing more than a stock replacement.

Dude, you're how many thousands upon thousands of dollars into your truck? Don't try and cheap out over a couple hundred bucks on the IC if you're going to upgrade. You can "upgrade" to the LFP that's likely nothing more than what you have now, or you can *upgrade* to the trick that is proven to cool better, flow more, it's physically larger, it's a really really nice piece. It's expensive, but grand scheme of things what's a few hundred more if you're going to spend it at all, when you've already gone that far with your truck?

Get the trick IC, get the JC midplate that opens the path up larger for the trick, I'd do those mods before doing the JC plate for the 2.6 just because the 2.6 already has a decent size plate opening. The JC KB plate will open it up more, but if you can't do both plates at once and you're looking to cheap out on the IC, I'd do the IC & midplate first and KB plate down the road.....vs a cheap IC and JC midplate & KB plate. His midplates get opened larger for the trick, so if you get the LFP one you'd have to send your plate back to him to re-machine larger when you decide you really want to do the IC correctly.

I didn't get any pass data on my trick IC, but I did get street data. After an hour of driving my stock IC would always steady state at right around 130*F. The same hour driving with my trick IC it would not go over 120*F steady state. During romps when the throttle is open and getting lots of fresh air in the IAT2 was only a couple degrees warmer than IAT1. It definitely cools better.

Side by side pic....the LFP one isn't going to be any larger than the stock since it's a stock replacement....get the good one, don't cheap out lol
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I thought the LFP unit was nothing more than a stock replacement.

Dude, you're how many thousands upon thousands of dollars into your truck? Don't try and cheap out over a couple hundred bucks on the IC if you're going to upgrade. You can "upgrade" to the LFP that's likely nothing more than what you have now, or you can *upgrade* to the trick that is proven to cool better, flow more, it's physically larger, it's a really really nice piece. It's expensive, but grand scheme of things what's a few hundred more if you're going to spend it at all, when you've already gone that far with your truck?

Get the trick IC, get the JC midplate that opens the path up larger for the trick, I'd do those mods before doing the JC plate for the 2.6 just because the 2.6 already has a decent size plate opening. The JC KB plate will open it up more, but if you can't do both plates at once and you're looking to cheap out on the IC, I'd do the IC & midplate first and KB plate down the road.....vs a cheap IC and JC midplate & KB plate. His midplates get opened larger for the trick, so if you get the LFP one you'd have to send your plate back to him to re-machine larger when you decide you really want to do the IC correctly.

I didn't get any pass data on my trick IC, but I did get street data. After an hour of driving my stock IC would always steady state at right around 130*F. The same hour driving with my trick IC it would not go over 120*F steady state. During romps when the throttle is open and getting lots of fresh air in the IAT2 was only a couple degrees warmer than IAT1. It definitely cools better.

Side by side pic....the LFP one isn't going to be any larger than the stock since it's a stock replacement....get the good one, don't cheap out lol
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I saw the Trick core at JLP's a few years ago. It is a real neat piece. I like the engineering that went into it. I can see how it would be very beneficial. I would go that route if you are finding inlet temps a problem. You may also consider a cam profile that does not build as much cylinder pressure if you keep losing head gaskets. I hate to see you keep tearing into it.

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Looking for feedback on LFP's extream intercooler. Any of you guys using it and what kind of gains are you seeing in IAT's? Any other options out there that are worth looking at?
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If LFP's is close to stock than that's a no go for me. That was the reason I was asking for feedback. Spending $200 on one that performs better is not an issue at all. The trick IC seems to be a good choice.


So after pulling the motor, it was #1 that was an issue. Slightly lifted head wrinkled and heated the gasket. No tear this time. This is definitely my hot cylinder as this is the same cylinder I burned a plug on race fuel. So far we have determined the injectors are 100%. I do have some exhaust reversion which is not helping my heat situation and could cause contamination of my AF mixture. Regardless of which fuel I choose to go with, heat and cylinder pressure is a problem when the wick is turned up and needs to be addressed.


And yes Jim, we are looking at the cam profile as well. We will make that call before everything goes back together. My IAT's are not that much of an issue. Mid range pulley I am seeing 130* and the full race pulley they are 148*. Just trying to lower everything down some.


Josh I will be doing a new IC and matching mid plate from JC as well as the upgraded KB plate. I already spoke with him this week, good dude! American Racing full exhaust with 1 7/8" headers is also on the board.

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That's a lot higher IAT temps than I've ever seen even with the stock IC. I can dig up some old datalogs, but they're typically around the 120-130 range at the top end IIRC back on the stock IC.


I really don't see the ARH doing all that much vs. your Comp-R, but it's certainly not a step backwards....I just don't see it as a step above what you already have whereas the IC & plates would be. Yes it's a slightly larger primary, but it's not equal length and not stepped, so the velocity of the exhaust gases expelling slow down a bit and it's not as even of a flow hitting the collectors as equal length. Carmelo likes to just say it helps, but I like #'s, and on the same combos, he went 9.6's on his 3.6 KB and the Comp-R, and he went 9.6's on his 3.6 KB and the ARH, same pullies, same tuneups, same tracks, essentially same conditions for comparison sake. So again not a gain but not a loss.


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This is what I'm running it was built by BadasL(Dale) he said one of the problems was the cooler ran in one side and returned back the other side so it was preheated.
So put in a wider spearco machined the sides and he ran all the rows One Way.
All the rows cool!
So the heated coolant runs out through the bottom.
He also worked the lower so that it would flow evenly and ported it out.



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JC mid & Trick IC FTW!



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This is what I'm running it was built by BadasL(Dale) he said one of the problems was the cooler ran in one side and returned back the other side so it was preheated.
So put in a wider spearco machined the sides and he ran all the rows One Way.
All the rows cool!
So the heated coolant runs out through the bottom.
He also worked the lower so that it would flow evenly and ported it out.



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Nice! I really miss bouncing things off Dale. He had so much knowledge and if you paid attention to his posts on the forums over the years he gave us all a lot to think about. Some hints were subtle. But I learned early on to pay attention when he posted or talked. It is a shame we lost him...


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